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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.27 04:51:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Frying Doom wrote:As shown Goonswarm want a nice safe null sec. You do too. No more exciting and changeable not stagnant and boring. Such a pity "your" changes would cause it to be stagnant and boring on a daily basis, then. It is now.
It is for you maybe. I'm sorry you are bad at Eve Online and have no friends to help you out.
The rest of us are shooting stuff, getting blown up, making news and getting paid.
Sucks to be you I guess. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.05.27 20:19:00 -
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Mra Rednu wrote:
If local was removed you'd get more frustrated high sec pvp'ers like you're self, too scared to go in a WH, Lowsec or Nullsec because of some lame logistical excuse or for an unseen, presumed menace ( like finding people who are willing and able to shoot back ) , relying on a ever growing army of neutral's scouts to find their victims it will basically be like the suicide ganker providing a warp in, plus about as close to pvp as that is.
Wow, a pubbie I kind of agree with.
It should be clear by now, the ones that need to grow some "balls" (although I think the vagina analogy is more apropos) are the guys who want local gone, but are too scared to go the the region of the game that already has no local. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.29 01:17:00 -
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He uses his PvP character for all his market work. He wants hardcore and dangerous gameplay, but also wants casual and unrestricted access to markets. There are over 2000 systems in the game that offer the feature he desires, but he chooses not to use them for reasons that are often contradictory or uninformed.
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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.05.29 05:41:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.
Congratulations, you are the worst at Eve Online, both the internet spaceship game, and the forums.
Removing local is not the solution to your problem. Rolling a market alt and parking it in Jita so you can keep you PvP guy where the action is is what you need to do. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.05.29 06:13:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Because I market trade in Jita and having to leave the wormhole multiple times per hour would be unbearable. Consider the valid argument presented. The rest of your post is hot air. Its a fallacy known as Appeal to Ridicule.
Congratulations, you are the worst at Eve Online, both the internet spaceship game, and the forums. Removing local is not the solution to your problem. Rolling a market alt and parking it in Jita so you can keep you PvP guy where the action is is what you need to do. Thats an interesting point of view. Tell me then, why do we need skill clones that go into the 100 million mark when we can all stop training and roll an alt to fill the niche. You think it might be because convenience and diversity are the motivation? Being able to do more than one activity on your toon is the whole point of classless character development. Also you didn't quite convey your smugness at appropriate levels, it came off as more angry.
You combined a station based profession with a space based profession, now your PvP abilities are hobbled by having to run back to market multiple times an hour.
Meanwhile, everyone else is left scratching there heads because they trained their characters more sensibly, and can enjoy the markets of Jita and the danger of null/w-space without hassle. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.05.29 08:52:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
Actually no. not instantly showing your presence in local is an advantage to the prey as well. You will d-scan detect probes before they have your position locked in or in some cases even detected if you are paying attention.
Oh the other point if you cant stand behind any idea for anything at all, you must really have no complaints about EVE. You would be the first person I have ever heard that from, or a spineless fence sitter, capable of complaining about everyone elses ideas while never standing up for any your self.
So instead of watching for local to update, they'll be watching d-scan to update. Yah, big improvement. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.05.29 09:51:00 -
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Elena Melkan wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:So instead of watching for local to update, they'll be watching d-scan to update. Yah, big improvement. Do you know what the big catch here is? dscan is currently severely limited in the range of space it can cover. Guess who that would favour, then ponder why the same people are against modifying how dscan works. Umm it would favor the observant and hard working while penalizing the lazy. Oh and what ideas where you behind in this thread sorry I missed you backing and arguing the points for these. It wouldn't favor anyone really. It would make things harder for a predator to find a target, and for prey to avoid getting caught. Spamming a d-scan would make playing in low and nullsec really boring and pointless, and I don't understand what a word 'boring' has to do with 'hard working' or 'observant'.
Not to mention that spamming d-scan only helps the prey if they are in a place that needs to be scanned down. If they are in an anom or any place that can be warped to from the overview, the prey get no warning.
So I guess if these guys want to be e-honourable, and not just camp the gates, they'll run circuits around all the belts, anoms and customs offices till they find a soft target.
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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.30 00:52:00 -
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The game already has an atomized no-local area; Wormholes.
Tyring to do that with nullsec would really just ruin it. I for one like the idea of space that can be taken and held by large player empires. Its cool that Eve provides space to do that.
Taking away local and nerfing jump drives turns player made empires into wilderness. Wilderness that's harder to control and pays less than the existing wilderness of wormholes.
Does Eve really need more wilderness? |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.05.30 01:31:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
I have no problem with players being able to take and hold space but that is the key, making them use the space and actively defend it rather than just plopping up a structure in a system and paying for it but not really doing much in the system.
A lot of systems really have nothing in them worth doing. Few belts, few anoms, no rare materials. Some of the systems you think are empty might actually have some strategic importance, and we would rather you think they are empty and unused so that you don't go poking around in them.
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Removing local with all the other changes I propose will make it harder for Alliances to over extend there space while at the same time giving small alliances the ability to get a foothold in.
How so? Small groups will still be at a disadvantage, and now they will have no clue when a large fleet from an established nullsec alliance drops on them, or where it went after blapping them.
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Removing local in Null its self will cause more guerrilla tactics and less gate camping and the like because who would sit stationary at a fixed point if you don't know what is coming or you don't have sufficient support.
It would be a big buff to guerrilla tactics, and wouldn't do much to gate camps because gates are too big a choke point not to camp. Besides, campers would just have to fit a cloak, and then they could just be completely invulnerable and no one would know if they are just waiting or have left.
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Empire should have local. The empires can afford it. Alliances don't have access to all technology (Skill book creation, BPO creation ect..) So I would argue the technology for local would also be out of there grasp.
Null is Lawless space with player corporations fighting for supremacy but all it has become is boring. Wormholes are the least populated space per system followed by Null. Lo-sec has a higher population per system that Null.
Null is broken and needs fixing.
So your solution is to take aspects from the least populated area of Eve, and put them in the second least populated area, to boost population?
If you can't find anything fun to do in null, then go to low or w-space. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.30 20:06:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
Hardly a statement as you are implying that ALL the systems in sovereignty are of strategic importance. I was commenting on a point I made in the other post about how large alliances are swallowing up Null for no reason other than to stop others.
Thank you for proving that you have no capacity for strategic thought. You hinted at it with you uninformed notions of a nullsec made out of tons of small competing groups being workable. But if you honestly don't understand the idea of holding something for the simple reason of denying it to your enemies, then you don't belong in a sov holding alliance. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.30 23:31:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
I would hardly call swallowing up all the land possible a strategy.
Like I said, you just don't have the capacity for strategic thought.
The simple fact that you can't see the inevitable outcome of some noob alliance trying to hold sov in some crappy spur off another alliance's space is further proof.
The static and largely linear gate routes in null would lead to a form of hydraulic despotism that would turn all those little alliances into de facto renters. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.31 05:46:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
Well Null is almost twice the size of all of empire space, so I think if you actually had to locally defend your own space it would work its self out.
Yah, nice dodge there.
Its all about manpower and money, and who ever has it will swallow up huge chunks of what ever you think a provincial nullsec would look like.
Awesome that you are honest about having no clue exactly what your improved nullsec would look like. "It would work itself out" doesn't really fill people with any confidence that such a nullsec would really be an improvement.
Since you love pointing out the goons so much, how much turf should we hold? We've actually hit "over 9000" in terms of players. Our capabilities are well publicized and scrutinized. How much is too much for an already large and active group? |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.31 09:46:00 -
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Hell, if sov was simply dictated by pilots in space, a blob of afk cloakers could roam around taking sov and there would be nothing the defenders could do about it. All they would know is that their 30 players can't seem to flip the sov back and can never find, or even know the existence of, the 40 other players who left their covops pilots drifting about while they slept.
Sounds better than a structure shoot, and I bet it takes less ammo. And as a member of the largest alliance in the game, we can always put the most active players in a system. This takes afk cloaking to an entire new level or griefing. You made a believer out of me Frying Doom. Sign me up.
First though, would leaving my cheetah to orbit the sun while I went to work be considered a "patrol" and count towards my alliance being active and taking the system? |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.31 20:40:00 -
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The more he talks, the less I see any real change coming to nullsec from it.
Big rich alliances will still wipe out the small one. Active nullsec dwellers like GSF won't be effected and other alliances can just keep renting out unused systems to keep "activity" up, what ever that means.
None of these suggestions include anything that actually entices people to live in nullsec. No-local helps people who want to daytrip into null and sneak around, but that is about it. Invading fleets will still get probed down and clobbered by the established powers. All kinds of talk to make null riskier and none about increasing the rewards accordingly. Null already had a jump bridge nerf, lost drone alloys, and is expecting a technetium nerf.
I also love how Frying Doom in particular calls the current sov system broken, and then dismisses the wormholes that provide almost everything he is asking for because it doesn't have the (broken) sov system.
Wormholes;
No local
No jump bridges/drives
No broken sov system
Heavier reliance on probing/scanning and player activity
The rewards match the increased risk |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.06.01 05:44:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
Is it because in Null sec local allows you to instantly see if anyone is in a system that shouldn't be there giving them safety. Where as in Hi-sec the residents are so much more numerous that local is a better tool for the ganker?
Names in local don't provide safety. They just provide a small amount of intel. Quit blaming local for how bad you are at Eve.
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Null sec is so safe that these very people are able to abandon there territory to go and Burn Jita with no fear of loosing their sovereign space.
We had no fear because we could run back to our space if need be. But then again, all our enemies wanted to join us in Jita, others wanted to shoot us in Jita, and everyone else is too stupid and uncoordinated to be any real threat.
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It is Funny to hear people who's Alliances have constantly and over a period of Years told people to HTFU while not being able to do so them selves.
You don't get to use HTFU. You haven't earned that right, and so long as you whine at CCP to screw around with other people's space to make up for your poor skills, you'll never get to use HTFU. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.06.01 09:53:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
So if you are using a anom and are gaining more rewards than mining or ratting you are getting a greater reward. Following me so far?
Nothing good comes from following you.
It already has greater risk, because concord isn't there to punish gankers, bubbles and bombs are available, and the rats themselves are battleships and can kill you on there own.
Oh, and supercaps can drop on you at any moment.
And of course, never mind the already plentiful solo bombers and small gangs that prey on players all day long. You know, the sort of activity Frying Doom wishes he could do, but can't, unless he is using a covops cloak and there is no local.
And it's not like empire miners don't have the option to bug out as soon as they see someone in local. Its like some bizzarro world justice, since highsec miners think they should be safe mining while not paying attention to the game, nullsec players must be limited to d-scan.
Further proof that Frying Doom's crusade to "improve" a region he doesn't even live in is nothing more than a vendetta.
Yes CCP, punish the goons. Take our stuff away. Make us live in gimped wormholes and force us to turn the wheel on some "patrol" mechanism to maintain our sov. Frying Doom assures of that it will just work itself out and be awesome somehow. |
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